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Daniel 7:13-14 Messiah, Jesus worshipped as a God?

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I believe if God was indeed going to send the Messiah and that he would be “God-Incarnate” there surely has to be at-least few passages that speak about such prophecy, isn’t it right? I think I am being fair, I am not asking for  a lot, just a few verses. Any ways today’s favourite verse Christians love to use is Daniel 7:13-14, according to these Trinitarian Jesus-worshippers that verse proves the deity of Jesus and that He should be “worshipped.” Now here is a problem we have is the verse does NOT say the person should be worshipped. According to Trinitarian’s because the word “פלח” (Pelach) is used then that proves the deity of Jesus. They say: “the word פלח (Pelach) is for God alone and has never been used for other humans.” As we will investigate later you will know the word פלח (Pelach) is used for others beside God, saints, ministers etc. Here is the verse:

New International Version (©2011) Daniel 13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and Peoples of every language worshiped (Pelach or Pelakh) him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Now the above translation is wrong. Why do they translate “Pelach” for a human being as “worshipped?” That is just distorting the text. The majority of translations translate “Pelach” as “serve.” A better translation is below:

English Standard Version (©2001) Daniel 7:14 And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.

Does “Obeying” Jesus make him God? Majority of Bible Translations even the famous KJV render the word “serve” for Daniel 7:14. Since when is “serving” someone make the person God? Now here is a typical Missionary response, they will say something along the lines:- “Hold on a minute the word פלח (Pelach) is only used for God alone.”

Daniel 7:14 reads as follows:

American King James Version Daniel 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Hebrew Lexicons on the word פלח pĕlach

The main word Christians use as evidence that Jesus is God is the word “serve” (פלח pĕlach) and according to them the Hebrew word  פלח (pĕlach) is for God alone and no on else and thus according to the Trinitarian’s the verse proves the deity of Jesus. Now I have an objection to that, according to Hebrew/Aramaic language the word פלח (pĕlach) has various meanings and is NOT used for God alone. See the following Scholars, see what they have to say on the word:

1. Hebrew-English Lexicon
פלח (Pelach) ch., served, worshipped.[1]


2. Brown Francis says:
פלח vb. Cleave (Ar… cleave; Aram. Pelach (usu.),… are til work, serve.[2]
So notice how Brown Francis translated the word פלח (Pelach) as “til work, serve” he does NOT mention nothing about worship.


3. John Parkhurst elucidates on the word פלח (Pelach):
i. To cleave, cut, or split. Occ. 2 k. Iv. 39. Job xvi. 13. Psal. Cxli. 7. Prov. Vii. 23. As a N. פלח A piece split off, a fragment, a slice. Occ Jud. Ix. 53. 1 Sam. Xxx. 12. 2 Sam. Xi. 21. Cant. Iv. 3. Job xli. 15. Like the nether פלח mill-stone, so-called either from breaking the corn in pieces of stone.
ii Pelach In a hip. Sense To cast or fling off with violence, as it were a splinter in cleaving wood (comp. Psal. Cxli 7.), to split off. Occ Job xxxix 3.
iii. Chald. Pelach to serveOR worship. Dan. Iii. 12, 28. Vi 16, et al. [3]

Reading above quotes it is quite clear that the scholars that translated the word “pelach”, according to them it does not only mean “worship” but it also has many other meanings such as “till work, serve, cut, cleave and split.”

Christian Scholars commenting on Daniel 7:13-14

It is unfortunate to tell the Trinitarian’s once again that the passage (Daniel 7:13-14) has nothing to do with the future Prophecy of the Messiah. How do we know that? Well all Christians have to do is read chapter 7 from verse 1 to verse 28 and they well realise the “Son of Man” is talking about the “Holy Saints.” Check out the following Christian scholars who have explained Daniel 7:13-14 and according to them it is to do with the “Holy Saints” NOT the Messiah:

1. Jame L. Mays says:
“It seems clear here that the one to whom was given dominion and glory and kingdom… and his kingdoms one that shall not be destroyed (7:14 rsv) is a human being namely, the Saints of the Most High (vv.18,22,27). That identification emerges in the exposition of the dream that Daniel receives from one of the heavenly court. The interpreter assures this community through the writer of the Book of Daniel that in a very short time- a time, two times, and half a time (v.25) – the dominion would be taken from the hands of the tyrant and given to the Saints to rule forever and ever. In short these people are the wave of the future and the future is at hand.”[4]

2. Arstein quotes Stedeul from his book “The time of Salvation”-: “Whatever difficulties exist with the redactional stages of this chapter in the Book of Daniel and however complicated the problem of the intended meaning of ’like a (son of) man’ v. 13 could be, one finding certain: the interpretation of the vision, Dn 7,18 speaks about a final and everlasting kingdom which will be given to ‘the saints of the Most high.’ In v. 21.22 the same group is called ‘the Saints’, in v.28 “the people of the saints of the Most high.’ They hall receive and retain forever the kingly power (v. 18.20), judgement (v. 22) and sovereignty, the greatness of all kingdoms under heaven shall be given to them, and all sovereignties shall SERVE and obey THEM (v.27). [5]

3. Arthur Samuel Peake’s commentary
“13. Like into a son of man: the AV was wrong in translating ‘like unto son of man,’ and thus suggesting that the passage referred to the ‘son of man’ of the Gospels. The phrase simply denotes a figure in human form. There is no reference to the Messiah. In the interpretation of the vision in 18, this phrase has no place at all. The kingdom that is here given unto ‘one like unto a son of man’ is in 18 given to ‘the saints of the Most High.’” [6]

As you have read all the quotes from their own Christians Scholars, they have made it abundantly clear that the passage in no way does it refer to Jesus (Messiah). All three of the Christians have stated explicitly that the verse is reference to the “Holy Saints.”

The “Holy Saints” receive “Pelach”:

It is very well known that Missionary’s job is to lie and deceive people to spread their propaganda to convert people to their ideology. Daniel 7:27 is very clear that the saints receive “Pelach” but the New Translations of the Bible have twisted the verse and made it out that Jesus is the one who is receiving this “service” not the Saints. Let’s now expose their deceit how they twist Daniel 7:27:

New International Version (©2011) Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the holy people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.’

New Living Translation (©2007) Then the sovereignty, power, and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be given to the holy people of the Most High. His kingdom will last forever, and all rulers will serve and obey him.“

We see from the above passage that the “Kingdom under heaven” will be handed over to the “Holy people” i.e the “saints.” At the end of the verse, desperate Trinitarian Scholars have added the word ”him.” to make it out to the uneducated person that the passage is indeed referring to the Messiah and thus he should receive “pelach.” Now here is problem, if we take a closer look in the Hebrew TEXT the word “him” is not even in there, it is not even part of the text. Daniel 7 verse 27 ends with the words “and all rulers will serve and obey” and STOP. So if we just take a look at the verse without the word “Him” added by the Missionaries, it is crystal clear that the ones who will receive “Pelach” just like Daniel 7:14 is the “Saints.”

Here is a picture, word for word from a Christian website for Daniel 7:27 and see if the word “Him” is in the passage:

daniel 7 27 pelach  [7]

If you read all the way to the end  of verse 27 in the picture, you will realise in the original Hebrew TEXT the word “Him” is not there.


“Holy Saints” receive Worship (Pelach):

This is next section I will show a list of different Bible Translations that agree that Daniel 7:27 the “Holy saints” are the ones who will receive “Pelach” and look out for the word “them” at the end of each different Bible Translation:

Christian Bible Translations:

The Bishop’s Bible (1568) Daniel 7: 27 And the kingdom and dominion, & the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of high saints, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all powers shall serve and obey it.

Concordant Version of the Old Testament Daniel 7:27 And the Kingdom and the jurisdiction and the majesty of the kingdom under the entire heavens will be granted to the people of the saints of the supremacies. Their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all other authorities shall serve and hearken to them.

New Century version Daniel 7:27 – Then the holy people who belong to the Most High God will have the power to rule. They will rule over all the kingdoms under heaven with power and greatness, and their power to rule will last forever. People from all the other kingdoms will respect and serve them.’

The Message Daniel 7:27 – Then the royal rule and the authority and the glory of all the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the people of the High God. Their royal rule will last forever. All other rulers will serve and obey them.’

English revised version Daniel 7:27 – Then God’s special people will rule the kingdom. And they will rule over all the people from all the kingdoms of earth. This kingdom will last forever. And people from all the other kingdoms will respect and serve them.’

God’s word Translation Daniel 7:27 – The kingdom, along with the power and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven, will be given to the holy people of the Most High. Their kingdom is eternal. All other powers will serve and obey them.”

So we see from the above Bible Translations, the “Holy Saints” are the ones who will receive “Pelach.” I got a question: if the person in Daniel 7:14 receives “Pelach” and thus make him automatically God, what about the Saints that receive the same thing in verse 27, are they all Gods?


Montogomery James Alan Christian Scholar says:

“Note;inf. V.27 the people of the saints are the object of this SERVICE”[8]

Notice how James Alan says the people in verse 27 do receive this “service” (pelach).

“Holy Saints” will be given Authority & rule forever:

The hard-headed Missionary’s will say: “what about verse 14:- “He was given authority, glory and sovereign power…His rule is eternal–it will never end. His kingdom will never be destroyed.”

That still does NOT make the person God, if we use the same Christian logic what about the Saints who will be given authority and reign forever just like verse 14? How can the person that is “GIVEN AUTHORITY” be God? If the person is given that authority and  GIVEN the Kingdom, that means the person at the first place never owned it and the person is subservient and under God’s authority. Check out the following verses:


Daniel 7:18
 “But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever-yes, for ever and ever.’“

Daniel 7:22 “until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgement in favour of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom.”

Daniel 7:27 “And the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; their kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey them.’“

Conclusion: The evidence I have presented is quite overwhelming, thoroughly refutes the idea Trinitarian’s hold on to that the passage somehow refers to the Messiah and being worshipped. A) Daniel 7:13-14 does not prove Jesus’s deity. B) That the passage does not refer to the Messiah (Jesus) but the saints , this is according to the 3 Christian Scholars I quoted. C) Pelach (serve) is not exclusively for God alone, but used for the “Holy saints” as well and thus again refuting the idea that a Human being deserves “worship.”

References:

[1] London, S. Bagster & sons limited; New York, J. Pott & co Hebrew English Lexicon (1898) page 210
[2] Brown, Francis, 1849-1916; Robinson, Edward, 1794-1863; Driver, S. R. (Samuel Rolles), 1846-1914; Briggs, Charles A. (Charles Augustus), 1841-1913; Gesenius, Wilhelm, 1786-1842. A Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament: with and appendix containing the Biblical Aramiac (1906) page 812
[3] Parkhurst, John, 1728-1797 An Hebrew and English Lexicon Page 549
[4] Jame L Mays, Harper collins Bible commentary page 630
[5] Ǻrstein Justnes. The time of salvation. Page 164
[6] Arthur Samuel Peake. A Commentary on the Bible page 529
[7]http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=7&v=27&t=KJV#conc/27
[8] Montgomery, James A. (James Alan), 1866-1949 A Critical and exegetical commentary on the book of Daniel (1927) Page 304

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